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so what terribleness transpired in todays comics?
SPOILERS!!! — as River Song would say.
The fauxmance still is making Superman and Wonder Woman out of character.
Superman threatens Orion’s life over … nothing, other than attacking him. He’s a god, so good luck with that, Clarkie.
WW & Orion discuss their kiss in her book (she kissed him) in front of superears.
Orion used a mother box on Supes to get rid of Hector Hammond. But is he still in the game?
Superman is realizing Diana has other men. Orion is a new god, not human so — maybe WW/Supes weren’t made for each other. She has other options, obviously, if she is still unwilling to follow her heart to the human, Trevor.
WW wants to be assured that she & Supes can be alone for the rest of the evening. Uhhh, aren’t they superheroes? Isn’t that like their job? She’s clingy. I blame editorial who knows squat about Wonder Woman or Superman. Also wasn’t the argument that Clark couldn’t be with Lois because she would expect to spend alone time with him????
Lana appeared in a fantasy in Clark’s mind in the beginning — along with the ‘dead’ Kents & at the end of the book, she reappears as a ‘mechical’ being who looks real. This is very similar to what was revealed in JLA 3 last week.
So there’s a Lana running around (not the real one) and this may alleviate the Lois vs WW thing by having WW realize Superman has other women. She really doesn’t know about Lois. And whether they give WW that much insightfulness is questionable. She’s all over the place in the books. She’s only WW in her own book, it seems — but even there — too much maleness going on.
In JL 20, WW seems like an overprotective harpy when she finds out Bats has/had kryptonite. Clark confesses he gave it to him. Which is YAY — something from old continuity that was awesome still exists. Bats & Clark are better bffs than we’ve seen — because Clark gave Bruce the kryptonite ring in the JL/Supes 5 year gap. The stuff that happened b4 new 52 present continuity.
Superman has to be told to save the WT — what was he waiting for? Still he didn’t exactly save it — age old problem — kryptonite.
Bruce has a batcave in a batcave and it’s big enough to put parts of the WT in. *rme* He and Clark discuss why he has these boxes of destruction for each JL member. And Bats expresses his concern that with Supes dating WW and she not having any ‘kryptonite’/weakness — then he’s the only one that can take her out if she goes rogue. Kind of hard to do that when you’re dating that person. And they really played up the sentimentality of Superman (and Green Lantern) which is true. And Bruce told Clark if he ever went rogue, he’d want Superman to take him out.
So maybe that will be part of the Trinity War dilemma for Clark. Or maybe not — could be dropped like a hot potato. It’s the new 52, afterall.
Someone has a sliver (or chunk) of kryptonite and we don’t know who.
Also, Steve Trevor, the big deal, was back in Justice League — looking out for his ‘original’ baby. Remember Bats said Trevor was the Justice League and even though Waller wants to destroy it, Trevor doesn’t.
Back to Supes 20
The fake Lana is an interesting way to have WW realize Clark has other affections. In the fantasy, Lana was his wife. Yea, UGH! But whoever could be creating these mechanical fantasy beings doesn’t know it isn’t true (especially if they are using thoughts or wishes). Anyway, it’s a good way to affect WW and Superman emotionally. Clark may be able to tell it’s not real with x-ray vision if magic is not involved. But WW would not.
Orion is being used the same way as the fake Lana. As long as Lois and Steve Trevor are end game, I’m okay with that.
I just want Trinity War and Villains Month to be over already. Sheesh. Don’t know what Superman Unchained will bring to the mix.
Smallville Season 11 and Adventures of Superman seem to be more true Superman — as always.
Definitely excited about Man of Steel next month. At least we’ll be getting the REAL DEAL there. Can’t wait. The new 52 just isn’t doing it for me.
Then in July, Superman Annual #2 with 75% of it involving Lois. We’ll see. At least Dan Jurgens is drawing it. :D
Excerpts, not verbatim
How do the big movies help the comic book industry?
Definitely shows what these characters are capable of doing. It brings new fans into the art form. A lot of people come in through the games, or the cartoons or the movies. People don’t even know they’re even being published and they’re very happy to realize that we are still publishing the stuff. The stories are the source material for the these great incarnations and adaptations of the characters and that’s where the magic really starts.
Tell us about Superman Unchained:
It’s a new comic book that’s coming out in June. It’s a celebration of the 75th anniversary of the character. It’s being written by Scott Snyder and drawn by myself. And if there were one Superman story we could tell, this is it. It really picks up on all the high points of the character. So we have all the classic moments between Superman and Lex Luthor. Superman and Lois Lane. And it really is a celebration of all the things that makes Superman so inspirational and a really cool character.
How big do you think the movies is going to be?
It is an amazing movie. I have seen it. I’m an Executive at Warner Brothers so I got to see it in advance. It’s one of the perks. It’s an amazing movie. It’s epic. It’s got a lot of heart. But one of the things I was missing from the last Superman movie was the action. This movie as it in spades. It’s a visual thrill ride. It is amazing. You see all the powers of Superman in all its glory. I think people are going to be blown away.
So people going to see the Man of Steel movie in June, they come out of that and want more. THey need to know what comic they can dive in.
Superman Unchained would be a good starting point. Action Comics we publish and has been in publication since 1938. Superman and there are all these great these great graphic novels. There’s really something for everyone from little kids 5 years old to people in their 30s, 40s, and 50s.
You drew the famous kiss between Superman and Wonder Woman.
Yes, you did your research. (2nd variant cover shows up in background)
Are we predicting a nasty custody settlement, er, how are things going to work out for these kids?
Well, you know when you publish a character for 75 years you gotta keep it young and fresh so it’s not about Superman and Lois today. It’s Superman and Wonder Woman. And that’s really rubbed a lot of purists the wrong way, but we love the controversy. We love the debate. We love the fact that people have either sided with TeamLois or TeamWonderWoman and it’s one of the things we used to keep interest in what we’re publishing in the books today.
If it doesn’t work out with Superman … Batman’s got lots of money?
Superman with Batman? is that what you’re saying?
No! For Wonder Woman!
Right. Absolutely. Yes. Yes.
So are you as confused as I am on what’s going on here. Obviously Free Comic Book day and the Superman Celebration with Superman Unchained announcement. That’s great!
But if movies (cartoons and games) bring in more readers, and you’ve got this amazing film with heart and action (involving Lois Lane) then why push Superman and Wonder Woman in the comic books — for the controversy? Taking Lois away from Clark is young and fresh? And if things don’t work out with Superman, yea, just give Wonder Woman to Batman. He’s got money.
But he recommends Superman Unchained as a great start to get into the comics and it has Superman and Lois. Uh, yea. But then says it’s all about Superman and Wonder Woman in the comics. And ‘purists’ have been rubbed the wrong way. YA THINK??? How does that affect sales?
Lee is definitely getting all the mileage he can from those kiss covers. Yea, like that wasn’t a planted question.
Superman is not Twilight. And if this is the new 52 version of the Silver Age, forget about it! Superdickery should be buried like toxic waste not revived.
And what about Wonder Woman — is it really about who she snogs? Absolutely??? Diana deserves better than that. And I’m of the belief when Azzarello found out from Dan Didio what they were going to do with Wonder Woman. His spontaneous pitch was done so in order to save the character. The fauxmance is not in her book and Superman has never been mentioned. Steve Trevor has been mentioned. Orion is there for a future New Gods story, one would think.
And with Steve Trevor back and better than ever, surely fans should be seeing some of that relationship developing further than it did in Justice League 12.
Diana has her own mythology to develop. Not being the go-to-girl for a date within the Justice League.
Maybe ‘purists’ are rubbed the wrong way because they love and understand these characters as well as their mythologies — making them less than what they always have been in the hearts and minds OF THEIR READERS! is a bad business move.
And, yes, losing money in a big corporation is controversial.
did anything important happen in the JL comics today?
In the new JLA book, Waller showed Steve Trevor a pic of the kiss so he’d run the JLA team. She chose all the team members except one. Steve chose Catwoman, because he knows she knows Batman like he knows Diana. Waller also mentioned needing good PR for the JLA. We’ll see what that means or doesn’t mean. At least two-thirds of the ‘Trinity’ have people who can influence their hearts and minds (Trevor, Catwoman). It’s not about power set. What about the third part of the Trinity? Oh, and J’onn is awesome.
Graves is choosing a villain team. First up, Scarecrow. Waller had something to do with that, remember? Not sure if that’s the Secret Society or not.
Channel 52 news is slooowwly leading to Trinity War. Not sure when it takes place according to story timeline or real life timeline. But something about Superman being murdered … by love. Either WTF issue is Eros or it could be Orion cause he shows up in Superman #20. And I guess Orion is giving Supes a run for his money for WW’s ‘love.’
Wonder Woman’s book is being drawn into the rest of the new 52 continuity. Sirens sang of the First Born from her book in the Young Romance special. Orin showing up in WW & Superman also an indication.
Orion did smack WW’s ass in her book. She didn’t tromp him for it.
Time is all shakey in Supergirl — as if we didn’t get enough of that in Action. And Lois with Jimmy made an appearance in Supergirl. Call me bowled over.
Speaking of Action: Time is all topsy turvy because of 5th dimension magic by Lord Vyndktvx. At least we got to see Clark Kent and his parents. A panel of Lois in the hospital with Mxy.
Oh yea, you asked about JL. Orin is King of Atlantis again. JL is recruiting, and from the previews last August, we know one of them may betray them.
No hopes or expectations with these guys. It’s all a waiting game.
Lois Lane was heavily criticized by Clark for the infotainment she was doing at the Daily Planet — and now DC has this Channel 52 blasting it all over the back pages. Intrepid reporter can’t cut a break with the ‘guys at the top’.
Someone posted the cover of Lois Lane #93. Covers mean squat. Here’s the inside story.
Lois helps Wonder Woman get her powers back.
Then Wonder Woman goes after Superman impressing him with her powers. He wants to make sure she’s invulnerable. They go dancing. The public think they make a cool couple. A wedding is planned.
Wonder Woman drags Lois with her to buy her wedding dress and shows her the house where she and Superman will live. Think Norman Bates Motel. Lois goes back alone and discovers the real Wonder Woman has been trapped there by Ar-Ual from Krypton who has been impersonating the Amazon.
Superman saves them both from the villain because he was trying to find Lois to tell her something.
Here’s the most important part of the story.
So even in the superdickery of the late 1960s, Lois Lane is the woman Superman cares for despite being a vulnerable human.
Lois is always Lois. Intrepid reporter. Seeker of truth.
I'm choosing to believe that GJ is giving Supes and Wondy a real shot, but will eventually show why they don't work; in interviews the focus is always on the question of compatibility. Signs like Batman and Booster suggest maybe an unhappily ever after. If that's the case it's actually kind of for the best because it settles the issue in canon. Lois is shelved currently. According to Idelson, pining for Lois and Clois could/should result. MoS should help with that a lot. Ugh the next few months!
Yes, I understand the bit about showing the question of compatibility. That’s what I’ve been hoping from the very beginning. It’s just that we have to go through this. It’s why I’ve dumped every Superman book until I get the REAL story.
I’m pining for Lois and Clois NOW! I still don’t see why they can’t show Lois investigating on her own which would let us see why Clark knows how amazing she is. That’s right, SHOW US, not tell us in a narrative box. That would be more dynamic storytelling. Lois doesn’t have her own book; so in order to see why Superman finds her to be the best of humanity, it means we should see her character development in his books or at least one of the Super books. Her investigation of N.O.W.H.E.R.E. in Superboy literally went nowhere. Her visit to Gotham in Batgirl … is/was that connected to anything? Jimmy is in NYC and calls into Lois now in Superboy. And the 1 panel she’s in looks like Mrs. N from Action.
Under Perez in the new 52 Lois saved Superman’s ass while he wished things could be different. What things? Why different? None of that has been explained.
He asks Dr. Veritas to dinner and now Diana … but he snipes at Lois for having a relationship that apparently is going somewhere and Jonathan wants her enough to move in with her. But Clark? What has he offered? What has he done? Oh, but no time for Lois, despite 5 days pumping iron in the center of the Earth, he has two (three if you count JL) crossovers to get through.
Wake me when that’s over.
And how exactly is DC going to know we’re pining for Lois and Clois? Because most of us have left the books because of this 2-years-in-the-making fauxmance. Shoving us into the trenches so we try to avoid being battered.
When they put Clark and Lois on the menu, then we’ll partake. We shouldn’t have to beg or plead for something that has worked for 75 years (one way or another). The triangle for two was created from day one in 1938 — it’s what has made the Superman mythos work for a number of reasons and on multiple levels. Apparently, it’s good enough for the Man of Steel movie which reaches hundreds of millions — not just a few tens of thousands.
And while I’m at it, let me just put this out there into the universe. Lois Lane has played a key role where Superman is concerned in every crisis previous to the new 52 — let’s hope that doesn’t change in Trinity War.
Ugh, the new few months, indeed!
I was wondering if you've seen the latest JL preview pages and what you thought of it. I haven't seen them yet and I'm too scared to look...
Yes, I saw them. One thing we had thought when this started was — Superman can’t be Superman 24/7 which is what he probably would be in a relationship with Diana. This would be in line with his alienation from humans that Didio kept stressing from the beginning. Why would he ever need to be Clark Kent if his heart was with his fellow super being who did not have a secret identity?
In the preview, he stated unequivocally that he was Clark Kent and liked having that respite from being the super alien. He also acknowledged the Kents. Very different from his comment in JL #12 that it seemed he only had the other identity out of habit and to protect the ones he cared about. Since the Kents are dead, does that mean Lois? Probably.
Diana didn’t seem to think the glasses were ‘cool’ and wondered if he was serious that she should try them. Meaning another identity. I don’t want to get my hopes up since I can’t trust the creators of the new 52 Superman’s current storyline to ever stop with the “Anyone But Lois” track they are currently on. If Diana thinks Clark is too much of a nerd for her — then that would be okay with me. Being super and not exactly human isn’t the only thing to consider in a relationship — and perhaps we’ll see how that plays out. Diana is a warrior. She loves the battle. Clark would rather talk it out first before pulling the first punch. Diana was willing to kill when she found out Trevor was kidnapped by Graves. Clark doesn’t kill.
But Superman acknowledging his Clark side is a first step in the right direction. We still have a few months of comics to go through before we know for certain whether or not the new 52 Superman will begin to have the same core and mythos of his predecessors.
I’m not certain that Diana in this incarnation is going to take on a secret identity. To have Clark suggest it and her accept the idea really rubs me the wrong way. I’ve seen some Diana fans say the same thing. If she went with a secret id, it would be for Trevor — he’s the human in her life who she has feelings for. It would be a way to protect him, but they’ve been seen together as super being and human already — so I doubt that a secret id is in her future. I could be wrong — especially with the way both Diana and Clark have been written in the new 52.
Trevor shows up in JLA in February as Diana in Young Romance asks Eros about her feelings for Superman. (this makes me shake my head — the woman doesn’t know her own heart or mind?) In March, Batman is still suspicious of the ‘alliance’. If Trinity War starts in May — not sure what that means for the fauxmance or Clark’s supporting cast.
Supposedly there will be a ‘second date’ in the coming months, somewhere that the other has never been before. Diana got to see Smallville. Will Clark see Paradise Island? Will the farm boy be in awe of all the gods that inhabit it? It’s happened before — Perez in Action 600 decided the farm boy couldn’t have the princess. Now that Diana is a demi-goddess that just widens that distance. Clark may have god-like powers, but he never thinks of himself as a god. Pretty sure he’d rather be with humans who inspire him than gods that make him cringe with their abuse of power.
They are only preview pages. We haven’t seen the entire book yet and as we all know things can change from panel to panel, page to page, issue to issue.
Superman confessing he didn’t want to give up being Clark is a good first step, but that’s all it is. How that affects the rest of the story only time will tell.
That one little handhold between SM/LL in the MoS trailer meant so much more than the kiss between SM/WW. Hall of Fame? Really?
Just saw the Hall of Fame thing. Another attempt by the DC Comics propaganda/promotion team to push this fauxmance to the bullship extreme. The usual suspects are for it with multiple hits against anyone commenting they prefer Bats/WW or Clark and Lois. We’ve seen the miles between the promotion and what is actually happening in the books. This is just another example.
It’s all about hits on DC’s websites anyway — sorry, I don’t play that. They created the fauxmance in a vacuum — they can choke on it with their dying breath.
How great is this power couple if Booster Gold comes from the future to warn his ‘past’ self about what they are doing will destroy the universe? How can the ‘couple’ continue in a destroyed universe? Batman has a flashlight shining up their asses — so how great can it be? There’s no Trinity, there was barely a Justice League before the promo hit. So perhaps when Superman and Wonder Woman come to their senses (literally, since David Graves had them under the azuras influence starting this mess) — this will help build the DC Comics Trinity and they have to save the world and the multiple universes — as well as the characters’ images.
And really? Hall of Fame? How lame. It diminishes true hall of fames, but then nowadays anything and everything must be torn down in the need for change — because we all know all change is good. [sarcasm]
DC will not admit this was a very bad idea because they’ve had it in the works for 2 years from that “writer’s” retreat of October, 2010. I’ve been beginning to wonder how many actual writers were in attendance or on the phone line for that. Especially since the Action and Superman writers for the new 52 were handpicked by Didio. And why would Grant Morrison mourn the marriage in July, 2011 if he was in on the ground floor of the decision making process to radically change Superman and his mythos? Makes ya think, doesn’t it?
DC has to push the fauxmance to make Trinity War relevant. It is their first big crisis (and Didio loves him a crisis) for the new 52 planned for probably this May. 2012 sucked for Superman in his own books and in Justice League. Wonder Woman managed to escape damage in her own book because the bullship is not addressed in it.
I’m hoping 2013 will be a better year for the Man of Steel. We know the movie is going to give us what fans have been craving for decades — a modernization of the character which keeps his core in tact and his love for Lois Lane displayed.
Yes, that trailer healed a lot of wounds Superman fans suffered through 2012 at the hands of the new 52, especially the abhorrent promotion of the fauxmance. Comics promotion can say whatever they want, it is only reaching a small audience when compared to the movie going public around the world. Superman is a global icon. BUT, if people go to see the film and want to check out the comics (thus increasing DC Comics bottomline) — are they going to see a Superman hooked up with Wonder Woman, who is alienated and removed emotionally from the humans he has sworn to protect? Let’s hope the administration at DC Comics are smart enough to know — that would be a disaster.
There are things to look forward to in 2013, Steve Trevor in JLA (he will have been in all the Justice League related books by then — he’s a big deal & already has a love relationship with Diana), the Trinity War fixing some of this mess, Andy Diggle taking over Action, Scott Snyder’s untitled 3rd book which “will celebrate the 75th anniversary” of the Superman mythos, and the Man of Steel movie.
Fans will probably still have to endure some more incoming, but I’m hopeful that after the first of the year, we’ll see the tide turn. Superman will become that guy people have loved for 75 years and his love story with Lois Lane will happen once again — because they were created together for a reason — and they are destined. It’s one of the things that makes Clark’s story unique and enduring.
Justice League orders are still falling. It will probably never overtake Batman again. Action Comics in November surpassed the Flash in order losses — and Flash was the worst of the original new 52 top 10. Could getting rid of marriages or original love interests be a factor? Probably. Superman fell out of the DC new 52 top 10 this November — mostly because of Death of the Family crossover — but the bump it did get was less than 1% of the orders from October, 2012. Superman is experiencing his own H’El crossover with Superboy and Supergirl — and then when that’s done, will have another crossover with Superboy, Supergirl and Action (March). So many crossovers — so little time. So it better be a quickie if Trinity War happens in May. I consider crossovers not the best time for character development and one thing the new 52 Superman needs is one vision and CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. Maybe when the fauxmance ends and the mandate is gone, Superman will be a character we begin to recognize — and he’s not fighting mind altering, alternate universe living, alternate reality creating beings in each and every issue! ARGH!!!
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